| A CONVERSATION – ABOUT HOW JAMES RANDI did not accept Mr. Kirti Betais Challenge |
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| Wednesday, 18 July 2007 | |
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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/tt/message/1089
RE: [tt] a conversation - James Randi My Dear Mr. Bear Radhasoami. Enjoyable - the conversation. Did you write it? I had an experience with an 'Amazed' James Randi - Brief Facts of My Experience:- I accepted his challenge and claimed that I could detect contaminated or poisoned food by using my zero error pendulum dowsing system. I also claimed that I would eat the food detected by me to prove my claim. He accepted my agreement as valid but rejected my claim of detecting food contaminated with snake poison (by stating that it is quite harmless) and suggested to test me by detecting cyanide capsules mixed up with sugar capsules and swallowing the same to prove my claim. I objected to his manipulating my claim. To that he responded by saying he would not test my claim as the possible consequences could be death. I confronted him by reminding him that my original claim is harmless as admitted by him and that the apprehension of death could be only in his own suggested test procedure where cyanide was to be used instead of snake poison. He then offered to test my claim using snake poison mixed up with vegetables but again altered my claim by suggesting to use 10 plates instead of 5 plates of vegetables with unknown number of vegetable plates to be poisoned. I acknowledged his above suggestion by saying I will respond after a few days as I was outstation. He replied that he won't wait. Thus Randi backed out twice from his contractual and promised obligation. I sent him a final reminder and warned him of legal consequences of his breach of contract and promise and claimed damages of a million US dollars unless he tests my claim as agreed. He has remained silent. My Arguments:- Randi has been running a malicious propaganda against all alternative health care systems for the past several years and the Psychic Challenge is an important part of his design to malign all alt-med practitioners. He does not accept any claim if he is afraid of loosing out. He accepts a claim only when he has ensured by manipulating the test procedure to cause interference and failure. He has put up this challenge on the platform of James Randi Educational Foundation (tax free charity) which apparently is stated to be `dedicated to providing information on paranormal, supernatural, occult, and pseudo-scientific claims, awarding prizes to deserving students who develop projects and essays based upon these claims, and both funding and conducting original experiments to examine those claims in a scientific manner.' The real motive is clearly to misrepresent before the world community that all such alternative health care systems are unproven and fraudulent practices and thus by his malicious propaganda, keep many people away from using alt-med treatments which have become more popular in the recent years which is the loss of modern medicine. Randi is a member of an Internet discussion group of doctors and pharmaceutical industry members and the group is called `Healthfraud'. The full time activity of the group is to condemn and ridicule all alt-med systems without any basis or investigation or any inclination for experimentation to gain knowledge. The Psychic Challenge is a brain child of Randi with the help and connivance of his doctor and pharmaceutical friends to discredit all alt-med practices as para-normal without any real examination or investigation for personal gain in the name of a tax free charity. Randi and his friends are thus defrauding the world by their dubious and ulterior methods with an objective of preventing the world population or a major portion of it from trying or using alt-med systems by misrepresentation and deceit, thereby ensuring the benefits to doctors of modern medicine and the pharmaceutical industry. With Regards and Radhasoami Kirti Betai Modern Vastu (Energy) Science (Consultants) visit www.harmony000.org to download your free PyrAmid © Energy Pattern - Best for Protection - Aura Cleansing - Feng Shui - Healing - Geo-pathic Stress -----Original Message----- From: bear [mailto: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 9:55 AM To: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Subject: [tt] a conversation From: bear < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it > AN IMAGINARY STUPID SKEPTIC CONVERSATION Could happen but probably won't....... Ranting Randi (RR): Hello Mr. Bird Larry Bird (LB): Hello Mr. Con Man RR: You say you are a basketball player Mr. Bird. LB: Yep. I was one of the best. RR: But do you have basketability Mr. Bird? LB: What is Basketability Mr. Con Man? RR: Basketability is the ability to sink a basket every time. LB: Well no I can't sink a basket every time. RR: Oh! So you are a charlatan Mr. Bird. LB: I don't think so. I played basketball as well as almost anyone ever has. RR: But can you sink a basket from a random place on the court, with your eyes blindfolded, every time you try? LB: Well no Mr. Con Man, I can't do that. RR: Well if you can't do that I think you are a fraud because a person with basketability would be able to sink every basket they tried to make. Basketability doesn't take visual cues. Basketability is the ability to sink baskets and you should, if you have basketability, be able to sink a basket every time. LB: Well I may not have basketability but I sure played basketball well. Ever since I was a kid in French Lick, I have been a really good basketball player. RR: Yes, that is very nice mr. Bird, but I am here to test basketability, not discuss the past. Can you sink a basket every time you try? That is, do you have basketability or should your return the money people paid out to see you play basketball all those years because you have perpetrated a fraud. LB: Well Mr. Con Man, over my entire professional life I was able to sink 49.6% of the baskets I shot from the field. That is very high. RR: 49.6%. Mr. Bird, don't waste my time. 49.6% isn't even 50% which is what a random guesser could score if they were just guessing whether you sank a basket or not if you made 50% of your attempts. LB: What has guessing got to do with how often I sink a basket. Guessers don't sink baskets they guess. They don't have any skill. RR: Don't try to play word games with me. I am a famous debunker of frauds and charlatans. I know a fraud when I see one and if you can't shoot baskets 100% of the time, from a random location, while blindfolded and with earmuffs and mittens on I say you do not have basketability. LB: Mr. Con Man you are an idiot. You obviously don't know anything about basketball at all. No basketball player will ever be able to do what you want because basketball is a skill and even a well skilled basketball player cannot do what you are asking because being able to see and hear and feel are all part of what playing basketball is about. You cannot test basketball ability by testing basketability. They are not the same sort of thing at all. RR: rant, rant, rant, expletive deleted, moan, whine, stomp feet, behave like petulant 5 year old...... Probably never happen but it could...... So how much more stupidity from randi is the skeptical community willing to accept before it opens its collective eyes and realizes what a farce the randi challenge is??? How many skeptics does it take to debunk randi? Bear __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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